Dr. Rustum Roy talks about the many types of "energy medicine" and why the AltWaters water-based formulas are different.

 Carol:  As a scientist can you give us an overview of what this type of energy medicine is all about?  There are so many different kinds: the devices, the hands on therapies.  But these are "water formulas".  Is this a different type of energy medicine? 

Dr. Roy:  Let me start by explaining the regular scientist's view of the term "energy medicine".  Unfortunately, you didn't coin it and neither did I, but it's a very unfortunate term that we're stuck with it.  I think right now we should slowly start to divest ourselves of that term.  I can describe what it means to a scientist.  In the world of science, the term "energy medicine" suggests that the use of something which is conventional energies;  that means you can use mechanical energies, electrical energies, magnetic energies and so on.  Those things can be used to heal the human body.  Now the question is under "energy medicine" the community of healers also includes Qi Gong, acupuncture, Reike, all kinds of other issues, all kinds of other traditional healing vectors. 

But you, for instance, are working with implanting intention, human intention into water.  That is a complicated line of work, which to call it
"energy medicine" would confuse a scientist totally.  So that is one of the issues which the world faces today.  "Energy medicine" is a very unfortunate term.  This is one of many "healing vectors".  What you can claim is an absolutely appropriate scientific term.  Healing vector means it has direction.  You want to heal somebody with a force and you cause the healing.   It's one of many different healing vectors.  Medicine (penicillin and pills) is a healing vector also.  So within that family of healing vectors you can take your place.  You give the water to somebody and the water has healing properties. So the healing vector there is your human intention implanted into water and somehow that water heals people. 

That's what it is, a miracle.  What is a miracle?  When Jesus says to the blind man "do you believe" and the blind man says, "Yes", he is pulling some intention to him.  It's a vector also.  Vector means a force with direction.  It must have direction, very important.  The intention part is, in our terms, "polarized", going in one direction, not going all over the place. So it's focused intention to heal. 

We have probably have gotten an association with "energy medicine" and maybe that's ok.  To the scientific and to the literate world of New York City and the educated, they ask what you mean by that.  So you lay yourself open to a closed door by certain parts of the population.  To whom do you wish to communicate?  And I think speaking to your community, "energy medicine" is perfectly sensible.  But you have to realize what scientists think about it-I'm saying it's very confusing to the scientific world.

Carol:  Can you explain the concept of programming or imprinting of water?  You called it changing the structure of water.  And how does it work in healing the human body?

Dr. Roy:  That is my main field of research today.  I am supposed to be one of the world's experts on the structure of water.  How do you put a building together in water?  If you look at a building it has windows and doors made up of bricks and things and so on but somebody has put it together in a certain structure. 

Similarly with liquid water you have small molecules, big molecules, big doors, big back yard patio and all of those have to be stuck together.  We analyze how they are stuck together, what is the shape, what is the size, what is it made up of. 

The structure of water is what I study and we have all kinds of sophisticated tools to analyze that.  What we have shown over the last few years is a revolutionary idea, not an idea, but a fact, that you can easily change the structure of water.  How can we change it?  Well if you heat it up it changes, if you cool it down it changes.  You cool it to 2 degrees Celsius and it goes through a very big change.  So water exists in many structures.  That is not my view; it is the view of the communities of scientists, the leading people in the world.  Dr. Eugene Stanley at Boston University, Professor Martin Chaplin in London, a chemist and a Materials Scientist at Arizona State and Penn State, all of us concur that there are literally dozens of structures that we know about and can easily reproduce.  So water has many structures, that's the first thing.

How do we change it?  We change it with temperature; we change it with pressure and now comes the fun part.  What we have shown was water can be structured by making little charged particles float in it.  That means the silver colloids, which have been used for hundreds of years throughout the world, is a metallic particle floating in the water which takes on a certain charge that tends to structure the water and when you have millions of these little metallic particles they can give  you reproducible measurable changes in the structure of water. 

In English we used to say, Q.E.D., Quad Errata Demonstrandum, that which had to be proved.  It's all done.  It's proved.  There's nothing more to say.  We can change the structure of water by pressure, by temperature and by making a colloid, which Einstein studied and on which he made his most famous paper, and which gave him three Nobel Prizes in 1925 and 1926.  So this is a well known scientific field.   When you have little particles of solids permanently displayed, stuck in water, every stream of water is a beautiful colloid.  Milk is a colloid, a colloid well known that's stable dispersions of one material in another.  Milk doesn't settle out.  It stays mixed.  Fat globules and canine globules are mixed with the water.  Similarly if you go to a stream, the colloid particles don't settle out.  Colloidal waters change the liquid structure. 

Now we come to the interesting part.  What most recent studies have shown is that radiation can change the structure of water.  What do I mean by that?  What kind of radiation?  Well of course light must be changing it, too.  The ones that we have shown, which is startling, is a very weak radiation.  The radiation in your microwave oven is 1,000 weaker than your incandescent light above you.  If you go turn on the radio, that's putting out radio waves and that radio is 1,000,000 times weaker than the light above your head.  How can that kind of radiation with that tiny bit of energy change water?  That was a remarkable thing that we proved at Penn State based on the work of Mr. Kanzius that even a radio wave could cause water to dissociate into hydrogen and oxygen and burn.  Nobody wanted to believe it and the scientists pooh-poohed it.  So we were very surprised.  What is special about it? It is a vector.  What do I mean by that?  It has direction and intensity. 

Now you remember what I said about your "intention planting" right?  It has direction and intensity so vector microwaves and vectorized radio waves can have profound influences on the structure of water.  Now we're getting somewhere.  If we can get something as weak as a silly little radio wave, you're bathed in radio waves, and it's blasting you.  How come it starts changing the water?  It probably is.  You see all these radiations; the cell phone is in the microwave region.  Those microwaves can be doing all kinds of stuff.  Everything can affect the structure of water.  The ones that affect it very specially are the vector fields, micro waves, and radio waves. 

But now what about human intention?  Is human intention the big question?  We can't prove it yet.  Is human intention a vector field?  Is it the same thing?  Is it pushing in one direction or pulling in one direction?  That's the directionality.  Is there also some force behind it so that intention means I want to do some good.  I care about this--that is a very big question.  We have no way to prove it yet except good "empirical science", which means if many people can do this it doesn't matter what we think now, we will prove that it is a vector force, which can change water.

Now let's look at the data.  You know very well the work of Mr. Imoto in Japan.  He's been claiming to change the structure of water by thinking.  You know the work of the Russians, Of Korikov in St. Petersburg?  They are doing the same kind of things, changing water by thinking about it-- "concentrated thinking".   Whatever ideas they implant, it appears to show some changes.    It looks as though human intention is a measurable vector quantity which has effects.  It looks like there is something there. 

Then you can go further.  What about prayer?  Look at Dr. Larry Dossy's work.  His books give hundreds and thousands of examples that are absolutely unchallengeable.  You look at the work of John of God in Brazil with tens of millions of people; he is using the intention of saying, "I cut this person's body open and there will be no bleeding and there will be no pain and there will be no sepsis and without any sterilization."  What is going on here?  We are now gathering data which supports the possibility, no, more than the possibility.  Can we think about "human intention" as parallel or an extension of what we have now proved, very recently, that radiation like radio waves and microwaves can actually change water?  That's two or three years old.  That's very, very new in science and it will undoubtedly change but that's a great idea. 

Now we are saying that human intention is an extension of that same proof, that it's vectorized fields and therefore it all comes back to the nature of human intention.  What is the nature?  What is the direction that makes that water heal, instead of being something poison?  Maybe you could poison it by planting ideas, bad intention.  So your intentions, any healer's intention, if it is pure, if it is loving in the intention of giving, loving and healing then that intention will be implanted in a certain way to cause that effect. 

You don't get them to understand this so easily.  This is cutting edge science.  If they want to understand it they've got to work at it; they've got to think about it.  They can go to the websites and read about it (http://www.rustumroy.com/).   You know it isn't cheap-understanding doesn't come cheap.

Actually the statement I just made for you is probably one of the simplest ones that I've made for the public.  On the web site you will get all the scientific versions of this.  You can see that it's not some idle talk.  You remember the Russian movie called "Water" (distributed by PDX-based Melissa Henderson and Betsy Chasse)?  This is cutting edge science!

Carol:  Thinking about allopathic medicine, drugs, how effective is this in healing, that is, in getting people well as compared to natural? How do you see this working in the future?

Dr. Roy:  I'm not a jihadist.  All these things can heal, right?  And allopathic medicine, let me take aspirin, found by natives somewhere, they ate the barks of trees and from that we get aspirin.  It does so many good things.  Today we don't understand how aspirin works. Today, after 200 years of scientific work, how it works, we're not very clear, but it works.  There is no doubt about aspirin relieving pain in most people, not in all.  Never does it work for all.  Nothing works for all because we're all different.  Aspirin is a great "healer".  You can say that's a perfect example of a wonderful allopathic medicine discovered by human experience pretty much. 

And since then there are other interesting things like even lithium.  The most psycho-pharmalogical agent in allopathic medicine is lithium.  Lithium was found by a doctor in Australia just trying it on monkeys and quite accidentally tried it on himself, then on his wife, then on his kids.  That's all the research that was done, good solid empirical observations.  That is one of the major routes to science which very seldom fails.  If the person is honest and accurate and careful, you can never miss. 

The person who discovered aspirin knew that if he took this bark and ground it up it cured his pain.  That's observation to the fact.  In science there is only one coin of the realm.  The dollar bill or pound note is fact.  Fact, fact, fact.  We don't need any explanations.  If you tell me prayer works and you pray and something works that's it.  It's a fact.  If you tell me your water with Regeneration^TM implanted helps people and you can show that it does in a hundred people, that's it.  That's it.  You have to do it carefully to show that there is nothing else going on.  It's established. 

So similarly, when penicillin came in there's no doubt.  It killed a lot of bacteria.  It stopped a lot of infections, so allopathic medicine has its place.  You know that penicillin was invented during the war and it helped so many soldiers.  All the great stuff that was done, it was done to save lives; it was done without making money. 

So now I come to the major problem with allopathic medicine as a system.  If you asked me if all pills were good or all bad, I would say neither.  Many pills or injections are very useful and very good.  When you take the percent with the desire to only make money, then you know it undercuts the value of that pill.  This is the idea.  Is intention is a loving caring intention or is it an intention to make money?

Carol:   That's interesting because as an Energy Intuitive, I can read the energy of aspirin at a negative nine (-9).  Even though it does work with pain, it leaves a residue, a toxic residue in the body.  And of course the other drugs do, too.  So I don't know if that's the intention, the greed, as Dr. Burton Goldberg said of making money with pharmaceuticals as opposed to the pure feeling that you're just going to get someone well with the drugs.  It could be. 

Dr. Roy:  You are saying that there may be a negative part to even aspiri?  You should really check that out, Carol, for instance if it is given by missionaries in somewhere far off in the Native American tribal lands.  Many people are doing wonderful work:  some are shamanic prayers; some are giving some ancient thing or even giving them aspirin.  They're giving it with the pure intention to heal a kid who's got an earache.  Intention of love is an essential part of healing.  Now that might be something for you to study. 

Dr. Roy:  What Burton Goldberg is saying, what I am saying, is greed or avarice or trying to make money is absolutely a wipe out of love and concerned feelings.  So the problem is that the American medical system, what is called "health care", is not health care at all, it's "paying for illness" ("PFI") . There is no American "health care" system.  The American system is called "PFI".  They pay for illness.  They don't pay for health.  The healthier you are the less you get back.  When you get ill you can call it "disease" but you've got to go to a hospital or you've got to go to town and get some money to pay for it.  Then you become part of the "health care" system.  So we should not give the President, or any one else, the cop-out to call it a "health care" system.  It is a misuse of the word "health".  They're not caring for health; they're "paying for disease". 

I'm a scientist.  I'm a rigorous scientist.  Rigor in science is essential.  You can not have rigor if you screw up the language.  So to call the American system "health-care" is an abomination.  It's paying for illness.  What is President Obama trying to do today?  He's trying to figure out a new way to pay for health care.  But paying for illness is all he's doing.  So he's not saying, "let's do exercise, let's all get a better diet, eat more veggies", that would be "health care". He's not putting one cent in that yet, but maybe he will,  I hope he will.  But the system has nothing to do with health care.  It has a lot to do with paying for illness. 

We should have a health care system in which we actually reward people who eat the right diet, who do exercise, who really care about their health.  I'm writing to Governor Brewer (Arizona) to incentivize.  I'll give you an example.  You go to Long John Silvers, and you will see a fast food restaurant that is a "health care restaurant", a "health care chain".  They give you lunches with 350 calories and dinners with 500 calories.  It's marvelous to think that a big chain was able to come up with a diet with fast food and have good veggies and fish and that's it.  Why aren't the others doing it?  If Obama was serious about health care, he would put a great incentive on such things, and a great disincentive for big burgers,  giant one pound and two pound burgers. So we have to care about our health. 

Carol:   Energy medicine is still fairly new on the scene of alternative therapies.  We know new ideas are first ridiculed, I think you just mentioned that, and then ignored before they're finally accepted.  What stage do you see energy medicine in at this time?

Dr. Roy:  Some people I think are getting the idea.  Let me take acupuncture.  While I think now people are having a very hard time saying it's nonsense because they are so many studies that show it works (and the President of the United States uses it), it's no longer possible to just write it off. Yet the press still doesn't routinely point out that it's a well- established system to give for anesthesia, for instance.   It's horrible what we do, pumping in all those complex chemicals.  Instead if you could give anesthesia by acupuncture what a wonderful thing that would be!  We should be studying that full blast.  No intervention, similarly your kind of energy medicine, or if we could heal with radiation and cause certain changes as they are doing in Russia. 

I just caught yesterday, from Moscow, what they have done with gigahertz frequencies, microwaves, and what Norman Shealy in Missouri is doing, the same kinds of things for pain relief.  I met with him yesterday here in Phoenix and I think Norm's work is very similar to the Russians.  The use of high frequency microwaves for all kinds of stuff, especially pain relief, that's "energy medicine".  My job is to make it respectable partly, but it means so many things.  Yes, it's definitely moving to the mainstream but it will be 10 years before it gets anywhere.  We're getting where it will be more accepted.

Carol:   As a true visionary, a futurist, what are the next steps on this journey to a system of wellness for the planet?  And what will future medicine look like?  What do you see?

Dr. Roy:  Well you asked a very dear question.  A "system of wellness for the planet", that's a very nice phrase Carol.  You see you avoided the words "health care".  It must be the opposite of sickness.  Second it must be a "system", right?  A system means not just handing one pill instead of another pill.  We call it whole person healing.  It's actually a whole person in the community. 

Remember it takes a village to raise a kid.  Hillary Clinton's statement copied from the idea that it takes a community right?  Every culture has small communities from 12 to 50 people for support.  In India it was the expanded family.  It was the tribe in Native American culture.  So we have to have small communities that support people.  Then we have family support.  Then we have a loving mother, I call that the "Madonna effect".  Madonna doesn't mean a woman, it means a woman and a child.  And the love of a mother for a child is the best and simplest way to understand "agape", un-rewardable love.   The best vector you can have in healing is un-rewardable love.  You can not pay me in any way. 

It's the missionaries I grew up with in India that used to drive a bicycle 20 miles into the jungles where I would not go. Our family would not go without a gun because there were tigers all around.  The missionaries would bicycle to a little clinic to help somebody.  That is the Madonna Effect, caring for the other without any hope of reward.  A wellness system involves un-rewardable love.  It's a good family doctor.  In State College Pennsylvania, our family doctor would come at 3 o'clock in the morning to see the kids if they were very sick.  It was only half a mile, but she'd drive in in the middle of the night.  It was nothing, we would pay whatever it was, but it was nothing.  That is the kind of caring that is a necessary part of your wellness system.  When the wellness slips you must have the people who are trying to restore wellness without the devilish, and I use that word advisably, the devilish inference of the money vector.

Future medicine will be a combination of certain things that will be local, some things are special to that locality.  In Native American tribes around here they have all kinds of local wisdom.  You've got these branches early in the spring, early in the month of April--they are so precise.  That's good scientific observation.  I've met with some of their leaders about the plants.  But they have to be plucked at the right time.  This is a local system of support in which we use devices, like a plant.  It may use prayer, it may use smoke.  It may use me singing around the thing--sound is very important.  We use light and sound, both the same thing, both different forms of energy.  And sound is very special because sound is always a vector.  When Ella Fitzgerald can break the wine glass from 50 feet away by singing, you know that it is interesting!

Sound chanting, in Gregorian chants it's great.  Indian chanting in the temples, that's great.  Native American singing and chanting is also part of it.  So the system involves many different normal human activities. That includes all these things in addition to using plants, using pills, if they're used in the right way and the minimum amount because the less we put in our bodies and systems the better off we are.  One advantage of sound is you don't put stuff into the blood system.